Difference Between Lucid Dream and Out-of-body Experience

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Difference Between Lucid Dream and Out-of-body Experience

Post by Jettins \o/ » July 18th, 2012, 10:58 pm

Difference between Lucid Dreams and Out-of-body Experiences

I got the idea to write about this based on what Matt said during another post. Here is the summary.
It was with some shock that I realized that I had not in fact experienced two OBEs but had merely dreamed about them. I think that this is my psyche’s way of preparing me for the real experience.
This is great Matt, Yes, this is a good sign that you are making progress.
Hopefully this is a sign that I will have an actual OBE soon.
Difference between Lucid dream and OuIf by an actual OBE you mean no gap or loss of consciousness as you transition into trance states, then I hope this happens to you soon as it is amazing. The highest level of lucidity is possible. On the other hand since the distinction between OBEs and Lucid Dreams has more to do with WHERE someone is projection to as appose to HOW, then it doesn't really matter how you get there. I will explain. The psyche will always be present during Out of body Experiences and Lucid dreams, the different is that with lucid dreams elements of the psyche are predominant, and during OBEs our psychic potential might be predominant to perceive things outside yourself.

Solid out of body experiences can turn into lucid dream type experiences, and lucid dream type experiences can turn into OBE experiences. The difference really has to do with the switch in the consciousness. Going internally is what usually happens happens when one lucid dreams, and going external when one has an OBE. Going internally would be the default natural process that will generate the dreams, but with the intention to experience other dimensions of being, one can prepare the mind to perceive things outside of oneself (OBE type experiences with greater physic potential). The switch between the states doesn't have to be done exclusively from the physical awake state. It's really done with the intent, and it can be done from within the lucid dreams. Changing our view on HOW we can get into a Real OBE, will also change WHERE we end up.

This way of looking at is beneficial because in the end, it doesn't really matter where the information comes as long as you can make use of it. I've started to have this thinking the more I experience. There will be times when I might encounter a being that simply doesn't know he or she is dead during a solid OBE, in this case there will be little to learn other than their condition. At other times an internal voice possibly coming from inner portion of my psyche, inner self, higher self or whatever one might like to call it, will have something interesting to explain and these will be vary between OBE or LD predominant.

Have a great day!
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Post by Ryan » July 29th, 2012, 12:06 am

The following is from a post I wrote just recently, which was an update of a previous post I made on my website a year or two ago.

The point of my post was to illustrate why "labeling" our non-physical experiences is a bad idea, but I also outline my perspective of what our experiences are and how we experience them.
I’ve made posts of this nature in the past, but as I’ve re-read them, they’ve seemed confusing, even to myself! And I wrote them! LOL
So I wanted to see if I couldn’t clarify things further.

I want to explain why “labeling” your experience in an attempt to categorize and define them is a bad idea, especially when you’re just starting out.

When I first started attempting to explore the non-physical, 10+ years ago, I had terms like “out of body experience”, “astral projection”, “lucid dream” and more all knocking around my skull. The only experience I had originally known about were lucid dreams, as I’ve been having those for as long as I can remember. It wasn’t until I really started putting the puzzle pieces together within the last 2 – 3 years that I figured out the actual nature of those experiences.

I found that there is one constant, one commonality, that linked all of these, supposedly, separate experiences/labels… dreams, lucid dreams, astral projections, out of body experiences, false awakenings, etc… there is one factor which everyone seems to completely ignore: YOU. Well, more to the point, Consciousness! Because you ARE consciousness. This is why these experiences all feel “different” and “separate”, because the “YOU” is different in each case.

YOU are the label. YOU are the definition.

How did I figure this out? What experiences did I have which gave me this conclusion? I have directly experienced the full spectrum of, what I can only describe as, “levels of awareness” within a single non-physical experience. I have started an experience with a dream awareness (normal dream), then become lucidly aware (lucid dream), then initiated a technique and brought forth my full waking awareness bringing me to an astral awareness (full astral projection). “Awareness”, to me, is a point along this spectrum. At each “level”, it feels like a different and completely separate experience. I can completely understand why people feel this way, but these aren’t experiences which you “have”… they’re experiences which you “are”. There is a vast difference between those two statements.

That spectrum looks kind of like this:

(Keep in mind that these are MY metaphors… MY labels. But I ask you to try and identify these labels in comparison to the ones you use. I try to make the comparison as obvious as I can using words and terms which people “mostly” agree upon. LoL)

“Dream Awareness” …… “Lucid Awareness” …… “Astral Awareness”

On the left of this spectrum, you have the experience which you don’t realize you’re in the non-physical. Essentially, it’s you dreaming… it’s you experiencing a reality that isn’t this physical reality, you just don’t realize that fact. It’s you having a dream awareness. You have to have a very base level of awareness in order to experience this, otherwise you won’t directly experience the event, so you’ll have zero chance of remembering it (which would be any experience taking place to the left of this point). If you’ve ever awoken in the morning with brief flashes of symbols and images from the dreams you had during the night, then you had a dream awareness experience, but you were just on the very cusp of having the bare minimum level of awareness in order to remember the experience.

On the far right, you have the experience which you do realize you’re in the non-physical *AND* you have the same awareness which you have right now while reading this post. You’re wide awake and fully aware of who you are with all your memories of such. THIS experience is what most people (and myself) would consider the “holy grail” of projections. It’s what most people refer to as an Astral Projection. It’s you experiencing the non-physical with an astral awareness.

I should point out, too, that your awareness can move both ways along this spectrum. You can gain awareness, and lose awareness.

So far I’ve described the two ends of the spectrum. Where does a “lucid awareness” fit into all this then?

Well, in the middle is the point where we have become “aware” that we’re in the non-physical and experiencing a reality that isn’t this physical reality. Anything to the left of this point is a “dream awareness experience”, or as most people call them, a “normal dream” (it’s important to point out here that the further right you move from the far left, the more “clear” and “vivid” your experience will become until you actually become lucidly aware). It’s at this point that the only thing you have is a base awareness that you’re in the non-physical. At this time, the closer you can bring your awareness to your full waking awareness, the further to the right you’ll move along this spectrum towards the “astral awareness” (aka, full astral projection). I have some techniques I’ve written about on my website to accomplish this. If you can’t find them, please let me know and I’ll provide the links.

So, as you can see, an astral projection is just a “dream” where you have a full waking awareness. However, don’t let the “just” fool you… what most people consider a “dream”, as I mentioned above, doesn’t exist. There is no such fundamental experience called a “dream”. There is only you experiencing the non-physical unknowingly!

This is why labeling an experience is a waste of time, because they’re all the same experience. What differs is only how consciously aware you are during the experience. This is why I don’t really worry too much if I had a lucid awareness experience or an astral awareness experience, because I know that what’s important is that I was consciously aware in the non-physical! I have a set of goals which I always keep solidly in my mind, so even if I’m only lucidly aware, I still remember enough to do them… such as meeting a guide. Sometimes it works out, other times it doesn’t… but as I said, in the end, I’m happy that I had an experience outside this physical reality.

I have a challenge for anyone who can project. Try to experience the full spectrum of awareness in a single non-physical experience. If you manage it, try to take note how each “level” feels compared to the last.
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2012/07/2 ... -physical/

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Re: Difference Between Lucid Dream and Out-of-body Experienc

Post by Jettins \o/ » July 29th, 2012, 2:21 am

Using levels of awareness to describe a difference is a practical way of seeing it, very nice.
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